Ats, on the other hand, not so much. Maybe I haven't repeated enough Ats episodes to create the pocket of pain in my brain that BtVS already has burrowed into. *head-desk*
Angel causes me as many headaches as Buffy does just in different ways. It might be because the shows are set up differently... BtVS is seasonal whereas AtS seasons depend on each other. One flows into two flows into three into four and finally five. It is a progression. Buffy didn't do that. Buffy had a formula that worked for every single season.
So they both give me headaches... I can just tell the headaches apart. :)
I have a whole headache that is named Jasmine... and it isn't that I don't like her... it is that her coming about makes no sense when you get to the fine print. I also have a headache that I call vampire lore that covers both shows where the vampire lore fails miserably. And I have a headache called the First because how they defeated the First didn't seem like it would actually get rid of the First. Those are examples of my headaches.
I hope I didn't give you one just by mentioning this stuff.
I tend to forget about S4 of Angel because I've probably watched those episodes the least out of all the episodes of either show. They probably would give me horrible headaches.
With BtVS, it used to be that certain plotholes, muddled mythologies, and other scripty business would give me grief, but now I'm finding that, more and more, it's the characters and their development (or lack thereof) that's bothering me.
My friends used to make this joke that if I was watching a show or reading a book with the main character's name in the title, then I would hate the main character because I dislike Buffy, Utena (from Revolutionary Girl Utena), and Harry Potter. This doesn't hold true though because I like Harry Dresden, Angel, and Jordan (from Crossing Jordan)... and I eventually came to not dislike Harry Potter. You know, Buffy and Utena are like the exact same character, and probably I don't understand them for the exact same reasons... and those reasons give me migraines.
I see exactly where you are coming from and have had those problems myself with the characters...
Like Angel... lets look at Angel for a second... it took him how long to start fighting evil after he got his soul? Really? He really brooded over having a soul for nearly a hundred years? That's a little overboard for brooding for anyone over anything. I'm not asking for him to be perfect... I like the fact that he made some mistakes over the years and faltered a few times... that makes sense. But to just sit there for so long, I can't believe it. So the writers squeeze in comments about him knowing the Rat Pack and the Furies making it seem like he didn't just sit there... so what the hell was he doing exactly? I have no answers and it always gives me a headache to think about it.
Well, I always thought of Angel as a wanderer. He was wandering about from place to place, not really knowing where he was supposed to belong. He had a family, of sorts, and he felt like they shunned him. Of course, if he had gone to Spike and Drusilla instead of Darla, they might have welcomed him back with a few less conditions to his behavior.
Angel didn't really sit in one spot. He went to new places, tried to meet people, found small enjoyments along the way (the first taping of the Carol Burnett show), but it wasn't enough. I don't blame him for not coming to the conclusion that he should fight evil because it's only a small percentage of souled beings in that universe that do (or that are fighting it for the right reasons). The few times he tried to do good before 1997 royally backfired in his face. It seems that by the time Whistler found him, Angel had just given up- given up trying to blend in, given up trying to live as humans do, given up the pretenses that he would ever belong. Whistler gave him back the hope that he could belong... even if it meant belonging to someone else. Plus, he is a mopey droop sometimes. XD I hope that doesn't give you a migraine.
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So they both give me headaches... I can just tell the headaches apart. :)
I have a whole headache that is named Jasmine... and it isn't that I don't like her... it is that her coming about makes no sense when you get to the fine print. I also have a headache that I call vampire lore that covers both shows where the vampire lore fails miserably. And I have a headache called the First because how they defeated the First didn't seem like it would actually get rid of the First. Those are examples of my headaches.
I hope I didn't give you one just by mentioning this stuff.
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With BtVS, it used to be that certain plotholes, muddled mythologies, and other scripty business would give me grief, but now I'm finding that, more and more, it's the characters and their development (or lack thereof) that's bothering me.
My friends used to make this joke that if I was watching a show or reading a book with the main character's name in the title, then I would hate the main character because I dislike Buffy, Utena (from Revolutionary Girl Utena), and Harry Potter. This doesn't hold true though because I like Harry Dresden, Angel, and Jordan (from Crossing Jordan)... and I eventually came to not dislike Harry Potter. You know, Buffy and Utena are like the exact same character, and probably I don't understand them for the exact same reasons... and those reasons give me migraines.
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Like Angel... lets look at Angel for a second... it took him how long to start fighting evil after he got his soul? Really? He really brooded over having a soul for nearly a hundred years? That's a little overboard for brooding for anyone over anything. I'm not asking for him to be perfect... I like the fact that he made some mistakes over the years and faltered a few times... that makes sense. But to just sit there for so long, I can't believe it. So the writers squeeze in comments about him knowing the Rat Pack and the Furies making it seem like he didn't just sit there... so what the hell was he doing exactly? I have no answers and it always gives me a headache to think about it.
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Angel didn't really sit in one spot. He went to new places, tried to meet people, found small enjoyments along the way (the first taping of the Carol Burnett show), but it wasn't enough. I don't blame him for not coming to the conclusion that he should fight evil because it's only a small percentage of souled beings in that universe that do (or that are fighting it for the right reasons). The few times he tried to do good before 1997 royally backfired in his face. It seems that by the time Whistler found him, Angel had just given up- given up trying to blend in, given up trying to live as humans do, given up the pretenses that he would ever belong. Whistler gave him back the hope that he could belong... even if it meant belonging to someone else. Plus, he is a mopey droop sometimes. XD I hope that doesn't give you a migraine.
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